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		<link>http://www.artofseeingthedivine.com/blog/2008/11/10/do-we-need-religious-art/comment-page-1/#comment-569</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that propaganda has often been labeled &quot;Religious Art.&quot;  Certainly under the Holy Roman Empire art was preferred to literacy for spreading theology as it was easier to control both artists and an illiterate populace. 
Yet the paradox remains that most of the Western World&#039;s greatest artists were deeply &quot;religious&quot; in their own ways. For instance, Michelangelo a seeming stalwart of the church ended u being buried obscurely with many of his possessions, especially his books and writing s confiscated as his own leaning was more in line with what later became Protestant, although he sought reform from within the church.
Controversy continues to swirl around Da Vinci. 
What becomes apparent is that the best artists create inspired works that do not necessarily follow any party line, whether theological or political. It is the job of the artist to inspire -- and inspiring makes one a leader not a follower. 
Unfortunately political leaders have found and used  talented artists throughout history to create &quot;art&quot; to promote their policies and &quot;greatness.&quot;
Thanks for the very informed comment. I fully agree with you. The power of imagery is a double edged sword. -JR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that propaganda has often been labeled &#8220;Religious Art.&#8221;  Certainly under the Holy Roman Empire art was preferred to literacy for spreading theology as it was easier to control both artists and an illiterate populace.<br />
Yet the paradox remains that most of the Western World&#8217;s greatest artists were deeply &#8220;religious&#8221; in their own ways. For instance, Michelangelo a seeming stalwart of the church ended u being buried obscurely with many of his possessions, especially his books and writing s confiscated as his own leaning was more in line with what later became Protestant, although he sought reform from within the church.<br />
Controversy continues to swirl around Da Vinci.<br />
What becomes apparent is that the best artists create inspired works that do not necessarily follow any party line, whether theological or political. It is the job of the artist to inspire &#8212; and inspiring makes one a leader not a follower.<br />
Unfortunately political leaders have found and used  talented artists throughout history to create &#8220;art&#8221; to promote their policies and &#8220;greatness.&#8221;<br />
Thanks for the very informed comment. I fully agree with you. The power of imagery is a double edged sword. -JR</p>
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		<title>By: AmericanSwagg</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmericanSwagg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we move on into the twentieth century, we see that religious art continues to flourish (as it always will, given human nature),  most strikingly in the service of the political religions of National Socialism. Russia made extensive use of devotional imagery),  a process that rapidly spread beyond Europe,  notably into the China of the Cultural Revolution. Efforts there to transform the Great Helsman into a living god (zaosheng yundong) may have reached a peak in Liu Chunhua’s rather fine 1969 depiction of a Christ-Mao visting Anyuan.  Nine hundred million copies are thought to have been made of this work, and if it’s not to be considered religious,  I don’t know what is… 
Great peice &amp; I enjoy all of your work!

AmericanSwagg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we move on into the twentieth century, we see that religious art continues to flourish (as it always will, given human nature),  most strikingly in the service of the political religions of National Socialism. Russia made extensive use of devotional imagery),  a process that rapidly spread beyond Europe,  notably into the China of the Cultural Revolution. Efforts there to transform the Great Helsman into a living god (zaosheng yundong) may have reached a peak in Liu Chunhua’s rather fine 1969 depiction of a Christ-Mao visting Anyuan.  Nine hundred million copies are thought to have been made of this work, and if it’s not to be considered religious,  I don’t know what is…<br />
Great peice &amp; I enjoy all of your work!</p>
<p>AmericanSwagg</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Pennington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Pennington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny, my life and work is so entwined with the divine that I cannot imagine art done any other way! I know it is made without divine connection or thought, and that is a perfectly reasonable path of art, but for me as a person and as an artist and writer, I simply cannot separate my connection with the divine and what that then inspires in my work from my work. 

I do appreciate the gentle reminder though that not everyone has their heads in the same place :) this is a very thought provoking article, thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny, my life and work is so entwined with the divine that I cannot imagine art done any other way! I know it is made without divine connection or thought, and that is a perfectly reasonable path of art, but for me as a person and as an artist and writer, I simply cannot separate my connection with the divine and what that then inspires in my work from my work. </p>
<p>I do appreciate the gentle reminder though that not everyone has their heads in the same place <img src='http://www.artofseeingthedivine.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  this is a very thought provoking article, thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Do We Need Religious Art? artofseeingthedivine.com - Twitoaster</title>
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		<title>By: Vince Delmonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince Delmonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell that this is not the first time at all that you mention the topic. Why have you decided to write about it again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell that this is not the first time at all that you mention the topic. Why have you decided to write about it again?</p>
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		<title>By: Biomlomnels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biomlomnels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if web industry affected by crisis as well? and to what extend? Will the admins continue this web?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if web industry affected by crisis as well? and to what extend? Will the admins continue this web?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just an update to the comment before this. The artist is a She not a He! 
Judy Rey Wasserman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an update to the comment before this. The artist is a She not a He!<br />
Judy Rey Wasserman</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Marxhausen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Marxhausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can know something about an artist by the things they create. By examining his handiwork I can tell he likes to work real small, he likes lots of detail, he draws from chemistry-biology-physics-and-neuroscience, he has a thing for social interaction, he uses an array of color, he is clever-skilled-precise-consistent-systematic-and-mathematical, he employs corollaries, reason, and logic, he has an ongoing carbon based project, he loves to work with proteins, he likes puzzles, he exhibits forethought and  knowledge, he is poetic-charming-musical-deliberate-experienced-playful-intelligent-and like to make new recipes.

    Looking at a piece of art will not tell me....how many coffee breaks the artist took or about her diet...or what model of car he drives....or which limbs were used to arrange the materials...or whether she wears glasses...or what his lineage is.....
...or what languages she is fluent in....or whether he has offspring...or how much time he spent contemplating the idea...or what the proto types exactly looked like...
.or who she met while on vacation.

    All this attention to detail that every artist does...reminds me...I am being thought of by another, my time on display is not finished, I am someone&#039;s treasure, I am wanted, and I belong to a lover.
    
    The love affair continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can know something about an artist by the things they create. By examining his handiwork I can tell he likes to work real small, he likes lots of detail, he draws from chemistry-biology-physics-and-neuroscience, he has a thing for social interaction, he uses an array of color, he is clever-skilled-precise-consistent-systematic-and-mathematical, he employs corollaries, reason, and logic, he has an ongoing carbon based project, he loves to work with proteins, he likes puzzles, he exhibits forethought and  knowledge, he is poetic-charming-musical-deliberate-experienced-playful-intelligent-and like to make new recipes.</p>
<p>    Looking at a piece of art will not tell me&#8230;.how many coffee breaks the artist took or about her diet&#8230;or what model of car he drives&#8230;.or which limbs were used to arrange the materials&#8230;or whether she wears glasses&#8230;or what his lineage is&#8230;..<br />
&#8230;or what languages she is fluent in&#8230;.or whether he has offspring&#8230;or how much time he spent contemplating the idea&#8230;or what the proto types exactly looked like&#8230;<br />
.or who she met while on vacation.</p>
<p>    All this attention to detail that every artist does&#8230;reminds me&#8230;I am being thought of by another, my time on display is not finished, I am someone&#8217;s treasure, I am wanted, and I belong to a lover.</p>
<p>    The love affair continues.</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene Hartman/"Simon Lang"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darlene Hartman/"Simon Lang"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could not do without &quot;the Divine&quot; (whom I as a Catholic Christian am happy to name God)in the arts.  It&#039;s that simple.  Even in prehistoric times, the faint memory of Creation lasted, and Man (meaning the name of our species, not a particular gender, so let no blood pressures soar) sought God in worshiping His attributes, because they did not know Him until the prophets of the Old Testament were raised up.  

There is an old Druidic story, told, I was informed, by the last Druidic King, Coel the Wise (You&#039;ve heard of &quot;Old King &#039;Cole&#039;) to his daughter, Elan, who was called by her Roman husband, &#039;Helena&#039;,and who was the grandfather of Constantine the Great.  This was the Roman Emperor who allowed Christianity to be openly practiced in the Empire.  The story goes like this:

When Adam, our First Father, died, the archangel Michael appeared to Seth, Adam&#039;s third son, and gave him an acorn.  Seth was told to plant it in his father&#039;s (Adam&#039;s) mouth when he buried him, and so he did.  From that acord, a mighty oak grew, and it sheltered wayfarers and travelers for many a century.  Then it died, and a well of healing waters formed around the root, and again, for centuries, the sick, lame, and halt would come and be healed.  Then, eventually, even the well dried up.  The trunk of the old oak, heavy with age and very solid, was drawn up and used as the wood of the cross that Christ was crucified upon, thus providing a straight line between the first, sinful, Man and the new, blameless, Man.  Humanity had been given a second start, a second chance.  Even Time reversed itself.  

As artists and art-lovers, you will oftimes see a painting of the Crucifixion with a skull nestled at the foot of the Cross.  Although Golgotha, the hill where Christ was crucified, was called, &quot;The place of the Skull&quot;, and some of the rock formations resemble a skull, the &quot;skull&quot; actually referred to was Adam&#039;s skull, and its artistic placement at the foot of the Cross draws a straight line from the old, disobedient Adam, to the new, obedient Adam, Christ Himself.  You may not concur with this line of thinking; but you must understand, if you are to understand art at all, that the preponderance of the inhabitants of Western civilization, especially artists, either believed it themselves or made good use of it for centuries and even a millenium.

Just thought you artists would enjoy a little background on a familiar subject.  Hope it helps.

Best to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could not do without &#8220;the Divine&#8221; (whom I as a Catholic Christian am happy to name God)in the arts.  It&#8217;s that simple.  Even in prehistoric times, the faint memory of Creation lasted, and Man (meaning the name of our species, not a particular gender, so let no blood pressures soar) sought God in worshiping His attributes, because they did not know Him until the prophets of the Old Testament were raised up.  </p>
<p>There is an old Druidic story, told, I was informed, by the last Druidic King, Coel the Wise (You&#8217;ve heard of &#8220;Old King &#8216;Cole&#8217;) to his daughter, Elan, who was called by her Roman husband, &#8216;Helena&#8217;,and who was the grandfather of Constantine the Great.  This was the Roman Emperor who allowed Christianity to be openly practiced in the Empire.  The story goes like this:</p>
<p>When Adam, our First Father, died, the archangel Michael appeared to Seth, Adam&#8217;s third son, and gave him an acorn.  Seth was told to plant it in his father&#8217;s (Adam&#8217;s) mouth when he buried him, and so he did.  From that acord, a mighty oak grew, and it sheltered wayfarers and travelers for many a century.  Then it died, and a well of healing waters formed around the root, and again, for centuries, the sick, lame, and halt would come and be healed.  Then, eventually, even the well dried up.  The trunk of the old oak, heavy with age and very solid, was drawn up and used as the wood of the cross that Christ was crucified upon, thus providing a straight line between the first, sinful, Man and the new, blameless, Man.  Humanity had been given a second start, a second chance.  Even Time reversed itself.  </p>
<p>As artists and art-lovers, you will oftimes see a painting of the Crucifixion with a skull nestled at the foot of the Cross.  Although Golgotha, the hill where Christ was crucified, was called, &#8220;The place of the Skull&#8221;, and some of the rock formations resemble a skull, the &#8220;skull&#8221; actually referred to was Adam&#8217;s skull, and its artistic placement at the foot of the Cross draws a straight line from the old, disobedient Adam, to the new, obedient Adam, Christ Himself.  You may not concur with this line of thinking; but you must understand, if you are to understand art at all, that the preponderance of the inhabitants of Western civilization, especially artists, either believed it themselves or made good use of it for centuries and even a millenium.</p>
<p>Just thought you artists would enjoy a little background on a familiar subject.  Hope it helps.</p>
<p>Best to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dion brings up a good point about my use of the term, &quot;The Divine&quot;. 
I hope that you go to the main page of http://www.theartofseeingthedivine.com and read it. I use the term The Divine&quot; as a way to allow and invite people to substitute their own best and most meaningful term or name at every instance. Even for religious people of the same branch and denomination the preferred terms and names can differ.
I am very upfront about the fact that I enjoy a personal relationship with The Divine. I marvel at people of faith who can trust and believe a god or force that they have no personal experience of. My experience is more than day to day, it is at best more like  every-few-minutes to every-few-minutes or so, because my focus goes off and I get distracted. This more fulfilling relationship is a direct result of my seeing more of the essences, which makes me more attuned. 
Sharing my experience through inspirational inspiration, including Visual/Exercises/Experiences so others can gain and have what I do is why I created &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artofseeingthedivine.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Art of Seeing The Divine&lt;/a&gt; e book. -- Judy Rey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dion brings up a good point about my use of the term, &#8220;The Divine&#8221;.<br />
I hope that you go to the main page of <a href="http://www.theartofseeingthedivine.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.theartofseeingthedivine.com</a> and read it. I use the term The Divine&#8221; as a way to allow and invite people to substitute their own best and most meaningful term or name at every instance. Even for religious people of the same branch and denomination the preferred terms and names can differ.<br />
I am very upfront about the fact that I enjoy a personal relationship with The Divine. I marvel at people of faith who can trust and believe a god or force that they have no personal experience of. My experience is more than day to day, it is at best more like  every-few-minutes to every-few-minutes or so, because my focus goes off and I get distracted. This more fulfilling relationship is a direct result of my seeing more of the essences, which makes me more attuned.<br />
Sharing my experience through inspirational inspiration, including Visual/Exercises/Experiences so others can gain and have what I do is why I created <a href="http://www.artofseeingthedivine.com" rel="nofollow">The Art of Seeing The Divine</a> e book. &#8212; Judy Rey</p>
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